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The buzziest moment from President Donald Trump’s interview with ABC News yesterday was a baffling exchange with the reporter Terry Moran over whether Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the Salvadoran man erroneously deported from Maryland to El Salvador, has tattoos reading MS-13 on his knuckles.

President Donald Trump has long made “No retreat, no surrender” his guiding ethos, refusing to apologize or acknowledge mistakes and declaring that he’s the brawler in chief for the American people. His instinct to pump his fist and yell “Fight, fight” in the moments after being shot on the campaign trail became a defining image of his victory last year. He scowls in his official portraits—and in his mug shot—and has stared down world leaders most American presidents would deem friends.

The Atlantic is announcing the hire of Missy Ryan as a staff writer, as part of a continued expansion of national security coverage. Missy has written about foreign policy, defense, and national security for more than a decade at The Washington Post, where she reported from dozens of countries, including Iraq, Ukraine, Libya, Lebanon, Yemen, and Afghanistan. She will join The Atlantic next month.

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In this episode of The David Frum Show, The Atlantic’s David Frum discusses how misinformation, distrust in science, and extremist rhetoric are fueling a deadly resurgence of preventable diseases in the United States—and urges clear and responsible leadership to protect public health.